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"Alert - Fair Blows the Wind"
 
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Does anybody know where the mention in FAIR BOLWS THE WIND of the wrecked ship appears? This is the wreck that also shows up in Sackett's Land, the one where Barnabas has the fight with the alligator.

I've read too many books and too many LLLT drafts recently and my head is ready to explode. I think I've been reading right past it but I can't find the darn thing!

Maybe I've just heard and read LL discussing something that does not exist!


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1. "RE: Alert - Fair Blows the Wind"
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   I am sure it's there, I'll try and scan at lunchtime and get back to you.

Les
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2. "RE: Alert - Fair Blows the Wind"
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   I just skimmed FBTW twice, and didn't see it. Sorry.


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3. "RE: Alert - Fair Blows the Wind"
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   I've gone so far down this rabbit hoe I'm no longer sure what I read and where. The old wrecked ship that is half full of sand and where Barnabas fights the alligator is a clear story location in Sackett's Land.

Dad said that he mentioned it again in Fair Blows the Wind and that fans wrote to him connecting the two ... a connection he didn't think anyone would make, he just did it for fun. Sort of.

But I can't seem to find it in Fair Blows the Wind. I'm going to have to start reading through yet again. I have a memory of it but it might be a memory of Sackett's Land or of Dad telling me about it.

It is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE, however, that the ship he was talking about in his letters was not an abandoned hulk in Fair Blows the Wind. It's possible it was the San Juan de Dios, the ship that was abandoned by the Spanish characters in the beginning of that story.

Do we know what happens to the San Juan de Dios? As I remember it drifted away from the sand bank where Tatton Chantry found it when the tide came in.

This would fit with my ALERT - TO THE FAR BLUE MOUNTAINS post. The story Pim tells about Chantry is followed by the rebellious crewman Johnathan Delve heading off to try to find a rumored Spanish wreck that still may contain some treasure. Chantry left many tons of silver ingots on the San Juan ... and, without being sure that it is the same ship, Barnabas Sackett knows where it is.

If anyone has any EVIDENCE BASED ideas I'd love to know them. I'm trying to wrap up all the threads in this Lost Treasures Postscript.


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4. "RE: Alert - Fair Blows the Wind"
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   In for a penny...
The last mention of the San Juan de Dios being sighted is in Chapter 29, where Tatton and Turley eavesdrop on a conversation, in which one of the pirates relates finding and searching the vessel. Leckenbie then takes a few crewmen to search for it, but the inference is they did not find it before running upon Tatton & company, and their subsequent attack. So, the disposition of the ship was not resolved.

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5. "RE: Alert - Fair Blows the Wind"
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   Just to add to what Falcon wrote. The first mention is in Chapter 3 when Chantry meets up with the group of castaways. The next mention is in Chapter 5 when Chantry finds the stranded galleon and retrieves three chests filled with treasure. In Chapter 6, Chantry sees the ship has floated free and tells the reader that it has begun to drift being pushed inland by the wind and tide. Then, as Falcon says, in Chapter 29, Chantry and Turley overhear the pirates talking and one tells the pirate captain, who I think is Leckenbie, that the ship is "hard aground" which is probably where Sackett discovers it years later.

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6. "RE: Alert - Fair Blows the Wind"
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   Yes. I agree that this interpretation is the best. The only problem is that Dad also created a timeline in TTFBM where a young Tatton is transported to England by Barnabas Sackett a year or so AFTER Barnabas finds the wreck.

I'm working on a solution but I'm trying to see if anyone can spot a problem with my fix which would be to cut the Barnabas/Tatton scene in TTFBM. I believe this wasn't done because of some editorial chaos that caused a significant amount of trouble between Dad and Bantam.


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7. "RE: Alert - Fair Blows the Wind"
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   Remove the Tatton reference with Barnabus and cover it with a Wild Geese hint. Transfer him to a ship going to the Low countries.


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8. "RE: Alert - Fair Blows the Wind"
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   I think you're right. Removing that single ref is probably the simplest and cleanest way to remove the confusion. And, if you're in a clean up mood, you might look at The Ferguson Rifle. Ronan makes a comment that an ancestor of his had been on the East Coast as early as 1602. Based on your dad having Tatton leave for America shortly after the Battle of Ivry which was in 1590, I'd say Ronan is about 12 years late in saying 1600. I know we shouldn't try to hold your dad to an exacting treatment of history, but, I'm just saying it's food for thought.

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9. "RE: Alert - Fair Blows the Wind"
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   Leo Lessard - (Ship) In Sackett's Land, Go to page 90 and 108. In To The Far Blue Mountains, go to pages 120, 166-167 and for the boy named Tatton, go to page 193. There are other references, however slight, in other places that I did not reference. I believe that the Chantry reference in a Sackett novel was to provide an early parallel to their lives. Remember, we never do find out what "Tatton Chantry's" real name was or is. As far as anyone knows it could have been John Smith or John Doe. hehe


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