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Longrifle Joe
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11. "RE: MOMMY ISSUES"
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   That is funny, and true! Women, Angels, and B%%%ches. However, I had a slightly higher opinion of Louisa---I am assuming that in that time and place, women had less of a voice than we might like in today's times. I think I just assumed she was powerless to change things within her sphere. Since I missed the idea of her being something of a moral cripple, I will certainly re-read the story again--probably for the 10th of 12th time LOL.

LRJ

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 Reilly's Luck [View All], ChrisEngland, 11:17 AM, 02-16-12, (0)  
WyoGal
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1. "RE: Reilly's Luck"
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   This is a favorite of many, with all the advice Reilly gives the growing Val. Val became even smarter as he grew. Some people have to grow up without good training, and this book gives a good foundation for a successful life. Val learned to play his cards right. After all, he learned from the best card player. It also shows how someone who is intent on harming you, even a close relative, should be dealt with without an emotional perspective. Some folks are just plain bad.


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2. "RE: Reilly's Luck"
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   Good to see your post WyoGal...

Happy Trails ...


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ChrisEngland
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3. "RE: Reilly's Luck"
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   Yes! Hi WyoGal!


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WyoGal
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4. "RE: Reilly's Luck"
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   Great to see you guys, too.


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12. "RE: Reilly's Luck"
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   Yeah, WyoGal, try and not stay gone so long. ... You were missed!
And, likewise, others that haven't been around are missed ...
Oh well, I reckon they'll come around when they wish. I think they know deep down that they 'belong' here. Just because they love LL's work, if for no other reason in their heart.

Tennessee Dave

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5. "MOMMY ISSUES"
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   LL wrote a fragment of a story (we might have a bit of it in Lost Treasures) called Reilly's Luck about a card shark who took in a crippled boy and taught him to play the violin. The boy would play at card games and communicate what the other players were holding. The gambler abused the boy and later a woman was involve who he treated badly too, eventually the boy set both himself and the woman free by playing the wrong music when the cheat was in a game with some very dangerous men ... leading them to kill him.

That story morphed into the Novel Reilly's Luck in a manner similar to the process you can see several times in the collection End of the Drive ... most of those stories were altered in interesting ways to become novels.

One of these days I'll post my notes on converting Reilly's Luck into a mini series ... this project collapsed a few years ago but the process of taking one of these stories and learning what it is REALLY about is interesting.

The two interesting elements were that Val draws Reilly, a VERY cold, cut off man, out ... helps him to develop to the point where he can fall in love and re-examine his failed life. In doing so we can see that this character who LL has written very much as a hero is a distant, unfulfilled, man who's mysterious pain or protectiveness has cut off from life. Val truly is Reilly's Luck. Val must also see that his hero and mentor had feet of clay and must go on to deal with similar, perhaps even more traumatic, things in his own life.

Basically, Val's mother, a whore, tried to have him killed in order to have a slight advantage in the world. He must deal with his mother, then Reilly's emotional and moral cripple of a girlfriend Louisa (she stands by to watch him be whipped by her brother and then is STILL bound to that wastrel 15 years later when she comes to America) and then his mother again in order to find Boston who, along with her sister, are the only "real women" in the story, women who have you back, are intelligent, forthright, willing to take a punch and aren't a complete waste of the flesh god gave them.

We know what hurt Val. I'm guessing it was a woman who hurt Reilly. This is very much a story about women, angels and bit***s.


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6. "RE: MOMMY ISSUES"
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   Thanks Beau, now I KNOW I have to read it!
Pistolero

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I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky.
The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing;
Rush in and die dogs--I was a man before I was a king!
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11. "RE: MOMMY ISSUES"
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   That is funny, and true! Women, Angels, and B%%%ches. However, I had a slightly higher opinion of Louisa---I am assuming that in that time and place, women had less of a voice than we might like in today's times. I think I just assumed she was powerless to change things within her sphere. Since I missed the idea of her being something of a moral cripple, I will certainly re-read the story again--probably for the 10th of 12th time LOL.

LRJ

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13. "RE: MOMMY ISSUES"
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   I was exaggerating fur the fun of it when I said moral cripple ... but it does feel that if someone tried something like that with the Bucklin girls they would have just shot the jackass and gone back to peeling potatoes. I can sort of accept Louisa lack of action at the whipping, perhaps she's never confronted this aspect of Pavel before but to be still contemplating a marriage to support him and traveling in his company 15 years later ... nope.


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7. "RE: Reilly's Luck"
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   Kinda reminds me of how Galloway was named that while it was more about Flagon!
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What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie?
I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky.
The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing;
Rush in and die dogs--I was a man before I was a king!
---From The Road of Kings


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8. "RE: Reilly's Luck"
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   Now that's interesting about the proposed mini-series of 'Reilly's Luck', further developing the story and the characters of Will and Val.

It does seem from reading the story that Val did Reilly good, as well as Reilly giving Val much-needed love and the tools to survive and surmount obstacles, though you don't think of these things quite so much when reading the book. Before his death, Reilly had started to change, and to seem dissatisfied with his lot. He did not wish Val to be a gambler like him, and probably recognised the fact that his type would soon vanish. He fell in love with Louise while he and Val were in Europe, was hurt by her, and did not seem to want to try to trust another person again. He let slip his guard and was blasted to death by his enemies. Val survived his trials, and keeps hold of the good things that Will taught him. These things are present in the book, but could be developed to a greater degree.

What struck me most about this story was the way that two unhappy, lonely people were thrown together, managed to develop a closeness and become like family. There are shades of this in 'Flint' too, but I think it's more noticeable here. I can see why it was thought that this story could be developed and expanded into something that would appeal to many. It has a lot of potential.

I'd like to see those notes!

C


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10. "RE: Reilly's Luck"
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   I just have to find the time to clean them up (there are lots of references in them that would either need to be cut out or explained) and then figure out where we would post them, here or in Lost Treasures.

Reilly's Luck was an interesting project while it lasted. The story fell into six sections thematically (not six episodes, however, because they weren't all the same length) and I outlined the novel then discussed what should be changed or developed in each section.

The story is classic a Rags to Riches tale. The young orphan is taken in by a mentor or adoptive parent, introduced to the wider world, is feeling pretty good about him/herself ... then the "parent" dies and the young protagonist needs to do it all over again but this time by and for himself. I don't think LL realized it but its been told a thousand different times in a thousand different ways. Very often there is the "evil" parent lurking in the wings just like Myra Cord.

Though I haven't read them recently I believe that David Copperfield, Great Expectations and the original (Chinese?) version of Aladdin fall into this pattern. Louis experimented with this form several times but I think Reilly's Luck is the most completely realized of them.


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9. "RE: Reilly's Luck"
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   The title of Reilly's Luck could be a nod to the Bret Hart short story The Luck of Roaring Camp.
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